# Maintaining rich dialogic interactions in the transition to synchronous online learning

## Abstract

### Purpose

The authors present the first author’s recent experience as a design case, capturing approach and principles to transitioning a course from in-person to remote modality while maintaining its collaborative, synchronous and dialogic nature.

### Design/methodology/approach

A mathematical content course for preservice teachers at a mid-Western university was used as a site for this case study. Data include video recordings of synchronous online sessions, students’ written work and their reflections. Using a design case approach, the authors identified new social norms, which were interactively established from the mutual constitution of expectations and commitments between the instructor and students and which gradually became important aspects of the culture of online, whole-class discussions.

### Findings

Dialogic discussions revealed a variety of student-generated methods to solve problems that enabled student-led interactions to become the center of each session. Opportunities for students to reflect on their own ideas and reasoning about mathematics often occurred in the synchronous settings in which they were allowed to express provisional ideas and clarify their thinking to others. Making connections between relevant educational theories and pragmatic instructional decisions of course instructors and designers in the crisis, this study aims to identify principles of instructional design and implementation that became salient in this case, backing them up with evidence from student voices.

### Originality/value

The authors discuss how these principles of instructional design and implementation could make synchronous online instruction manageable for more instructors in future where entire semesters may occur through a virtual medium.

## Keywords

#### Citation

Jung, H. and Brady, C. (2020), "Maintaining rich dialogic interactions in the transition to synchronous online learning", *Information and Learning Sciences*, Vol. 121 No. 5/6, pp. 391-400. https://doi.org/10.1108/ILS-04-2020-0096

### Publisher

:Emerald Publishing Limited

Copyright © 2020, Emerald Publishing Limited

A central premise across a variety of educational research and policy documents is that students learn with greater understanding in classrooms where they engage in exploring, reasoning and communicating about their thinking (Hiebert and Wearne, 1993; National Council of Teachers of English, 2016; National Council of Teachers of Mathematics [NCTM], 2000). With the recent emergency transition to remote online instruction in higher education, opportunities for rich synchronous learning have been diminished in many courses. Most instructors have had to adapt rapidly from in-person classroom settings to online environments without sufficient time and training. Accordingly, college students have shared concerns about the lack of opportunities to interact with others. We offer a design case (Boling, 2010), based on the recent experiences of the first author, capturing an approach to making the transition from in-person to remote learning while maintaining a course’s synchronous, dialogic nature. We describe principles of instructional design and implementation that became salient in this case, grounding our account in evidence from student voices and perspectives. We investigate how these principles might make a shift to synchronous online instruction manageable for instructors.

## Interaction patterns in face-to-face and online discussions

The importance of dialogic interactions (Bakhtin, 1984) in classrooms has been reported across disciplines (Sherry, 2017; Wertsch and Toma, 1995). While *monologic* discourse is described as the transmission of information from a teacher to students, *dialogic* discourse serves as a thinking opportunity for students to generate new meanings for themselves through communication (Wood, 1998). In a dialogic discussion, students often use the words of their classmates for their own sense making, rather than passively accepting the procedures the teacher provides (Bakhtin, 1984). The emergence of monologic or dialogic discourse is often closely connected to the types of questions that teachers ask (Nystrand *et al.*, 1997) and is related to patterns of classroom interactions such as *recitation*, *funneling* or *focusing* (Wood, 1998).

A *recitation* pattern, in which the teacher asks a question, students respond to the question, and the teacher evaluates the response for its correctness, is often found in teacher-led classroom discourse (Sinclair and Coulthard, 1975; Mehan, 1979, 1980). A shortcoming of this monologic pattern is that students passively learn concepts because teachers show them what to do and then ask them to practice (Meserve and Suydam, 1992). A closely related communication pattern, called funneling, described by Wood (1998), is illustrated as follows:

In the recitation pattern, the teacher might tell Ken that his answer was incorrect and ask another student to provide a response. In this funneling example, the teacher continues to engage with Ken but responds to his incorrect answer by leading Ken through a strategy that comes entirely from the teacher. By replying to the teacher’s questions, Ken completes the work and is implicated in the associated strategy. Thus, in the funneling pattern, it may *appear* that learning is occurring (for Ken); however, students involved in funneling may only be responding to the surface questions instead of expressing or justifying their own thinking. Although the teacher may intend to support students’ learning by guiding them to correct answers, both recitation and funneling patterns provide students minimal agency, as they follow solution strategies that the teacher has in mind (Wood, 1998).

By contrast, the *focus* pattern supports more balanced and dialogic interactions between students and teachers (Wood, 1998). For example, the teacher may invite students to discuss possible solution pathways with reasoning and justifications. As students present their work, the teacher asks questions that help everyone attend to the work of their classmates and that encourage students to connect their thinking with that of others. In classrooms where the focus pattern often appears, students may come to expect that their provisional ideas will be respected and understand that what counts as learning is developing concepts for themselves (Wood, 1998).

Though rooted in face-to-face classroom studies, analyses of communication patterns have also appeared in the research on online discussions (Sherry, 2017). Similar to in-class discussions, the quality of students’ online learning is highly dependent on the types of questions teachers ask (Zhu, 2006). When asked open-ended questions, students tend to express higher-order thinking, whereas with closed-ended questions, they are likely to show lower-order thinking (Sherry, 2017). Studies of discussions in online forums also present the potential strengths and limitations of discourse in online learning environments as opposed to in-person settings. On the one hand, online discussions may encourage participation from less outspoken learners (Larson and Keiper, 2002) and allow more time for students to develop reflective responses (Beeghly, 2005). On the other hand, because online discussions often occur in writing, miscommunication can happen owing to the absence of facial expressions or other conversational markers of tone and intent. Students may also be overwhelmed by the large volume of other posts in settings where they are asked to engage and respond to their classmates’ posts (Meyer, 2003).

Most previous studies focus on online learning that foregrounds a written modality (Groenke, 2008; Kim and Bateman, 2010; Sherry, 2017). Further research is needed to study features of real-time interactions online that promote the *focus* pattern. The present study responds to this need, illustrating instructional practices and their outcomes during synchronous online discussions.

## Background

This study concerned a mathematical content course for K-8 preservice teachers (hereafter *students* or *teacher-learners*) at a mid-Western university[1], forced online by the COVID-19 crisis. Data included video recordings and transcripts of synchronous online sessions, students’ written work and their reflections. In transitioning to online learning, we designed sequences of instructional materials and developed conjectures about possible trajectories for students’ learning on the basis of the instructional activities. These conjectures were tentative and revised throughout the sessions through ongoing analysis of the instructor (first author) and the outside researcher (second author). We describe the online social norms negotiated by the instructor and students on the basis of their prior relations in face-to-face learning, and we describe episodes that illustrate the nature of dialogic discussions in the synchronous online environment.

## Creating social norms in the transition to online environments

In face-to-face sessions, the instructor often introduced sets of problems and provided time for teacher-learners to solve the problems in groups, followed by whole-class discussions where the student-generated solutions were the center of discussion. In transitioning to the online medium, she conjectured that she could maintain synchronous dialogic discussions with technological supports, such as Zoom meetings, Google Drive and virtual manipulatives. She decided to negotiate social norms explicitly through mutually constituting expectations and commitments between her and the teacher-learners (Yackel *et al.*, 1991). In the first online meeting with the teacher-learners, she directly asked them what concerns they had and how she could best support their learning. They shared concerns about the lack of opportunities to interact with other students and instructors and mentioned that continued meetings would be preferable. The group agreed to meet weekly through Zoom and then, having recognized the value of the technology, spent time practicing how each participant could share screens to describe their work and explore ways to write mathematical expressions in Google Drawings.

To maximize the time for dialogic discussions of student-generated solution approaches, the instructor proposed to provide problem sets as homework prior to each Zoom meeting. She explained that, similar to the problem sets from prior in-person sessions, the homework would include non-routine problems new to the teacher-learners. Accordingly, she explained that the homework would be graded for effort, instead of for correctness, to encourage them to show provisional ideas in their answers. By allowing students to express preliminary ideas, rather than presenting her predetermined methods to them, the instructor attempted to strengthen a social norm of the course, in which a variety of solutions were valued and deeply engaged with (Wood, 1998).

## Dialogic discussions in synchronous online learning

The episode below is included to illustrate the dialogic nature of discussions achieved in Zoom meetings. Although the specific mathematical content in these episodes may not be applicable for instructors of other courses, the instructional strategies and outcomes show a way to maintain *discipline-rich* online dialogic interactions, which may translate analogously to other disciplines. The teacher-learners were discussing their methods for visualizing 2 ÷

*Instructor*:

Did anyone figure out how to solve these problems visually?

*Rylie*:

So what I did […] (sharing her screen as Figure 1) I did repeated subtraction literally, so up here what I did was I just kept subtracting ¼ just to premise this. I did minus ¼ until I got to nothing left. Then I counted up how many minus ¼ I did, which got me to 8. So that’s how I did that.

*Rylie*:

But here (sharing her screen as Figure 2), you cannot equally keep subtracting 2/3 from 3/3, and I did one as 3/3 because that was an easier way of doing it. So what I did was I took it in half. So I did half of 2/3, which is 1/3. So I did 3/3 minus 1/3, minus 1/3, minus 1/3. So as these are all ½’s, not all ones, I did plus ½, plus ½, plus ½ to get

*Instructor*:

Questions? The last one is very interesting. Did anyone understand what Rylie explained for the last one? (pause).

Observing Rylie’s work on the screen, the instructor realized that her strategy involved a leap that had not been previously discussed in the course and that this invention could help others explore the different approaches their future students might bring to their classes. The instructor asked the group if anyone understood Rylie’s explanation. As Rylie looked at the faces of her classmates on the screen, she realized they did not understand some of her explanation. Therefore, she continued to reason about her methods:

*Rylie*:

I just divided it in half because, like I said, you cannot evenly subtract 2/3 from 3/3 multiple times.

*Instructor*:

(Looking at each student’s face on screen and deciding that the others still may not understand what she did) Right. So instead of you subtract 2/3 from one, you subtracted 1/3. But where did you get the ½?

*Rylie*:

Because 1/3 is *one half* of 2/3. Because up here [2 ÷

*Instructor*:

Oh, so one plus means […] how many times you subtract ¼ from two, right?

*Rylie*:

Yeah. I took the repeated subtraction literally.

*Instructor*:

So when you said in the problem one [2 ÷

*Rylie*:

Yes.

*Instructor*:

Then the bottom [1 ÷

*Rylie*:

Exactly. Yeah.

After Rylie justified her approach, the instructor decided to *step in* to highlight important aspects of the solution that she felt many of the teacher-learners might not understand (based on their facial expressions). The instructor rephrased Rylie’s method for the problem [2 ÷

*Instructor*:

This is a really difficult concept, and it was very interesting that you had come up with this new idea that is really cool. Let us see if everyone understood this […] (pause). Can anyone re-explain what Rylie just said for the second problem? Or both problems one and two?

*Kimberly*:

I can do it using the pattern blocks.

*Instructor*:

Okay. Great.

*Kimberly*:

So what I was looking at is that the whole are three of these (sharing her screen as Figure 3), that [the hexagon shape] would be a whole.

*Instructor*:

Problem two or one?

*Kimberly*:

For problem two [

*Kimberly*:

But as there is no physically another whole, then you only have one [parallelogram], because our new whole […] but as we only have one of them, it is technically only half, so we only get the

The instructor showed respect for Rylie’s idea and invited other teacher-learners to conceptualize the idea. Kimberly volunteered to share her thinking by using a free online tool (https://apps.mathlearningcenter.org/pattern-shapes/) introduced by the instructor prior to this session. In in-person sessions, the instructor introduced physical pattern blocks for similar purposes, but because students did not have access to the manipulatives, she found a free app that allowed the manipulation of pattern blocks on screen.

Kimberly showed her step-by-step process to solve the problem using the free app and screen sharing. And as the discussion unfolded, it featured increased student-to-student interaction. For example, another teacher-learner asked a presenter, “Can you explain again how you got […] I understand the first part of your drawing, but I don’t understand how you’re multiplying it three times with your drawing.” The instructor *stepped back* from the conversation, affording other students the opportunity to understand presenters’ work for themselves. In these examples, the instructor’s *focusing* questions served to guide the discussion of the teacher-learners’ justifications and maintain attention on the presenters’ work and explanations (Wood, 1998). Rather than attempting to *funnel* a student’s ideas toward her ways of thinking, the instructor tried to monitor what the other teacher-learners might not understand and ask questions that supported persistent attention to innovative aspects of student-generated solutions.

In their journal reflections, the teacher-learners said that features they liked about the synchronous online sessions were sharing provisional ideas and clarifying their thinking to others during the Zoom sessions. One commented:

I gain a deeper understanding of content and how to approach it in a variety of ways once I hear from classmates during Zoom sessions. I am also able to ‘teach’ the way that I approached the problem which helps in developing my skills as an educator.

When asked what was different about the classroom community in the Zoom context, one teacher-learner responded instead about continuities: “I still feel very connected to my classmates, as if I can reach out to them with questions. The classroom community may be remote, but I still feel like I am learning alongside everyone else.” Another teacher-learner shared a similar view regarding the Zoom context: “I found it helpful in the same way that it was helpful when we shared ideas in class.” The synchronous online sessions with technological aids allowed the instructor and other teacher-learners to observe everyone’s face and tone, read interactive written work and participate in the ongoing sense-making process, all of which helped to maintain dialogic discussions, resembling prior in-person sessions.

## Opportunities to interact with students in synchronous small groups

To address the concerns of the teacher-learners about the lack of opportunities to interact with other students, and to extend the course’s small-group interactions into the online format, the instructor incorporated alternative instructional practices. In our instructional design meetings, the second author suggested using Breakout Rooms to support possible trajectories for the students’ learning through problem-solving. The instructor incorporated this idea to allow teacher-learners to discuss homework problems with their team members. The instructor told students, “We are going to discuss these ideas that you shared [in your homework], and we may revise as we discuss and ask questions to each other about what you have written in the document,” supporting them in revising their original ideas during these small-group interactions. In addition, she asked the teacher-learners to discuss the different solution approaches they used to solve the problems or jot down their combined solution and the assumptions and choices they made to solve the problem in a shared Google Doc.

Monitoring their progress in the Google Docs, the instructor gauged when to invite the small groups back to the whole-group meeting and initiate discussion: “Start with team one. You can explain step by step […] while the other teams are listening to what team one is doing, let’s write down questions on the same [Google] form.” During the whole-group discussion, the instructor encouraged the teacher-learners to copy and paste their mathematical models into a shared folder, so they could compare different ideas. At the end of each team’s presentation, the instructor asked questions, including “What are the similarities and differences across the solutions shared?” and “What connections do you see between the solutions?” to help students evaluate the results of diverse approaches and build on one another’s solutions to construct powerful collective ideas (Stein *et al.*, 2008). Several teacher-learners discussed what they noticed about the similarities and differences and connected their methods and solutions.

They also shared positive experiences of discussing their ideas in small groups through the Zoom Breakout Rooms. One said, “I liked the breakout because it’s similar to when we talk and turn in the classroom which is nice.” Another expressed a related idea:

I like the breakout meetings because they let you share your idea with a smaller group first that can give you feedback in a low-pressure environment. Then I have the space and time to refine the answer that I will deliver to the larger group so that it makes the most sense to everyone.

Most teacher-learners mentioned that they liked the environment, suggesting it was similar to in-person environments in which they shared their ideas in small teams.

## Principles of instructional design to facilitate dialogic discussions

As we reflect collectively on this experience, we identify several principles of instructional design and implementation that became salient in this case. The first is the focus on maintaining and continual construction of social norms established in mutual expectations and commitments between instructor and students. The regularities in practices of the classroom community that promoted dialogic discussions were built over the rest of the course between the instructor and the teacher-learners instead of merely set up by the instructor at the beginning. The construction of social norms among the members of a classroom community has been studied in face-to-face classes (Yackel *et al.*, 1991). However, research rarely shows how such social norms around classroom discussions can be extended smoothly across in-person and online environments, as in this study.

The second principle is promoting communication patterns that foster dialogic interactions by encouraging the participants to justify their ideas and make connections to diverse perspectives. In this course, discussions revealed a variety of student-generated methods for solving problems and enabled student-led interactions to become the center of each session. Opportunities for teacher-learners to reflect on their own ideas and to reason about mathematics often occurred in the synchronous settings, where they were encouraged to express provisional ideas and clarify their thinking to others. Although the use of these communication patterns has been recommended by research (Wood, 1998), few studies show the possibility of promoting and continuing such opportunities in online learning that this study offers.

The third principle is the use of technological aids to help students visualize and verbalize the ideas they generate and to monitor their progress, rather than conveying the instructor’s knowledge to the students. When the instructor decided to choose and use technological tools, such as Zoom sessions, Google Drive and virtual manipulatives, the first question she considered was how to introduce these technologies to the teacher-learners so that they could express their ideas through them. With this goal, the instructor spent some time with students to explore each tool as she acknowledged their efforts and difficulties. The use of tools allowed the teacher-learners to observe others’ work on the screen, look at the faces of others, provide in-the-moment description of their created methods and keep track of their work in the shared screen with the instructor during group discussions, all of which promoted dialogic interaction during the online sessions.

## Conclusion

The COVID-19 crisis has put universities and their instructors off balance. We are collectively adjusting to a future in which we must invent ways to honor and sustain the intimate, human character of education in general and of teacher preparation in particular. This Spring has given us the first opportunity to respond to a challenge that will be with us into the foreseeable future. This study explored efforts in one course to make a transition from in-person to online learning that emphasized continuities. It suggested the importance of attending carefully to bridging between the two environments to preserve a culture of dialogic interaction. And it indicated approaches for working explicitly to support a classroom group in making that shift together as a community of learners.

## Figures

Teacher: | What is 9 + 8? |

Ken: | 16 |

Teacher: | Okay. 9 plus 9 equals 18. And 9 plus 8 is one less than 18. So 9 + 8 is? |

Ken: | 17 |

## Note

We use the term teacher-learner to emphasize that the students in this course are preservice teachers who are experiencing the mathematical content of the course as learners and also as future classroom teachers who will be expected to effectively communicate the content with their students.

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## Further reading

Barker, W., Bressoud, D., Epp, S., Ganter, S., Haver, B. and Pollatsek, H. (2004), Undergraduate Programs and Courses in the Mathematical Sciences: CUPM Curriculum Guide, The Mathematical Association of America, Washington, DC.

## Acknowledgements

This paper is part of the special issue, “A Response to Emergency Transitions to Remote Online Education in K-12 and Higher Education” which contains shorter, rapid-turnaround invited works, not subject to double-blind peer review. The issue was called, managed and produced on short timeline in Summer 2020 toward pragmatic instructional application in the Fall 2020 semester.

*Funding*: The second author’s contribution is based in part upon work supported by the National Science Foundation under Grant Number DRL #1614745 and IIS #1652372.